tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post3880085376656833753..comments2023-10-07T04:06:40.018-05:00Comments on Save OBU: OBU Students/Parents Weighing TransferAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15050790418399919111noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post-593732474974042352012-02-23T09:08:47.954-06:002012-02-23T09:08:47.954-06:00P.S. Jack, let's keep the conversation uplifti...P.S. Jack, let's keep the conversation uplifting and clean, eh? I appreciate your sentiment but I like to hope those of us vying for education which leads to a better world could keep it above the belt.Veronicahttp://twitter.com/verrrrronicanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post-54895747219428893062012-02-23T09:06:38.964-06:002012-02-23T09:06:38.964-06:00As someone who was at OBU when one of these instan...As someone who was at OBU when one of these instances took place, and has talked with both professors that it happened to-- as well as numerous other faculty members current and former, and is engaged to a man who, as a student, was brought into the administrators' office and intimidated because of bringing light to these very same issues, I'm going to go ahead and say that I know exactly what I'm talking about. I also know to what rumors you are probably referring and for that I say, shame on you. I think you "know" one thing about the second professor which I believe, with good reason, to be untrue. AND, even if it is true, that "more pertinent circumstance" has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not that person is qualified to be a professor. The very fact that you "know" about this shows that the administration is not handling these issues very well. You yourself said they are being "forced out." Is that the way that Christian brothers and sisters should be treating each other?<br /><br />As for the other professor, that situation could not even be thought of as ambiguous and he was forced to leave because of a minor footnote in something he published which was a very moderate comment.<br /><br />So, Anonymous, I don't know who you are or where you are getting your information, but I have been very open about my identity and sources and do not appreciate my friends being slandered by a faceless entity. Please be sweet, present more relevant evidence, or voice your concerns in a non-attacking way in the future.Veronicahttp://twitter.com/verrrrronicanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post-40341776747675999022012-02-23T01:32:31.623-06:002012-02-23T01:32:31.623-06:00Anonymous, Your grammar, spelling, and sentence st...Anonymous, Your grammar, spelling, and sentence structure leave much to be desired. Your arguments (not arguements) are Circumstantial Ad Hominem arguments. All of this leads me to believe that you must be a typical SBC preacher who went to school to get a couple of degrees but you didn't learn much. Where do you pastor--Toad Suck #9 Baptist Church in Nowhere, Oklahoma? Don't worry, you'll get that bigger church if you continue on your path of being a SBC loyalist. The Good Ole Boys always reward their little mindless imitators. How is it that you know "personal details" about one of the professors dismissed? Have you had a personal conversation with the professor? Of course not. You have a warped sense of fairness. You would judge another person based on hearsay and rumor without allowing the person to defend himself. I would be careful about making any more posts such as the one above. It is slanderous. And someone might find out who the anonymous little coward is. Of course fundamentalists don't mind slandering another person who is not a member of their retrogressive shrinking kingdom of arrogant proselytizers. You fit in well with the new SBC--the perfect combination of arrogance and ignorance.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11476679227925346068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post-13246161102288232372012-02-22T14:51:46.745-06:002012-02-22T14:51:46.745-06:00There were more problems with one of the said prof...There were more problems with one of the said professors than just "moderate views." Without getting into personal details, there were other, much more pertinent circumstances into the professor being forced out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post-49082225537486114562012-02-22T14:00:00.248-06:002012-02-22T14:00:00.248-06:00It's not just that two capable and accomplishe...It's not just that two capable and accomplished faculty members were forced out for holding relatively moderate views (although that is wrong and unacceptable). It's that they were badly mistreated in the process, being denied rights and norms that should have been followed but were deliberately ignored. We've also documented more than a dozen other issues that point toward an unprecedented move away from academic freedom and toward fundamentalism. The forced dismissals may be the most egregious and shameful, but they are not the only problems. The only things we're "full of" are concern for the direction of OBU and anger at how its great liberal arts tradition is being eroded.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15050790418399919111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post-20876590631241001612012-02-22T10:46:05.996-06:002012-02-22T10:46:05.996-06:00The statement about professors being fired for dis...The statement about professors being fired for disagreeing is a large part of this entire blogs arguement, which gives me great confidence in knowing that you are all full of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post-43295744220446243452012-02-21T14:41:20.491-06:002012-02-21T14:41:20.491-06:00And what about the professors who are being fired ...And what about the professors who are being fired for disagreeing? The current problem does not go both ways and, as far as I know, this is the most violent the problem has become. There will always be tension in a university because the world is ambiguous. That's not the problem. The problem is that right now at OBU non-fundamentalists are being punished in very real ways for not holding those views or for opposing the administration which is carrying out these punishments.Veronicahttp://twitter.com/verrrrronicanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post-52491222626314383332012-02-21T10:17:23.296-06:002012-02-21T10:17:23.296-06:00I had just the oppostie experince at OBU. I sat in...I had just the oppostie experince at OBU. I sat in several classes and the prof led the discussion in a liberal way and bashed those who held the Bible was inerrant and literal in disdain or at least made it appear that way. I had to hear many use the words "hostile takeover" like Dr Patterson and Judge Presler parachuted from the rafters with machine guns saying "vote for Adrian or die". Not one time did I feel that my grade would be dropped for disagreeing in fact one of the most liberal profs I had gave me full credit on a essay question when it was an oppion question and I bashed his view with Scriptures when he asked for interpetation. I have found liberals to always cry foul when their view is bashed but it is ok to bash another. Yall say academic freedom but do not want it going both ways. If your daughter believes it tell her to stand for what she believe. What about all the conservative students who were not wanting to stay in the old direction?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com