tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post9098317853313533904..comments2023-10-07T04:06:40.018-05:00Comments on Save OBU: Bible FreedomAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15050790418399919111noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post-694554109566799132012-04-24T09:37:37.800-05:002012-04-24T09:37:37.800-05:00To Eskimo Joe. This is a serious blog. JUST GET OF...To Eskimo Joe. This is a serious blog. JUST GET OFF IF YOU CANT PLAY BY THE RULES!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post-81104049906315839282012-04-23T09:44:29.055-05:002012-04-23T09:44:29.055-05:00You may call me "Eskimo Joe" if it pleas...You may call me "Eskimo Joe" if it pleases you. ;DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post-26367115030944680672012-04-20T20:33:12.176-05:002012-04-20T20:33:12.176-05:00@anonymous 1) is there a reason you will not use a...@anonymous 1) is there a reason you will not use at least some sort of moniker? 2) It seems that you are the one making an issue of LGBTQ inclusive reading of texts. I think SaveOBU posted a reference to it once. Would you like to comment on the substantive posts that SaveOBU has spent extensive time highlighting the issues that arise from such a close relationship between OBU and the BGCO?Teltrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post-48472172547745421892012-04-20T18:04:05.205-05:002012-04-20T18:04:05.205-05:00The SBC is not in rapid decline as others are yes ...The SBC is not in rapid decline as others are yes it has dropped but in some ways but that is easy to understand with the fact the boomers and all are dying off. As far as authority goes as a pastor my authority does not come from the position but from the word of God in that I can proclaim it believing it to be truth. There are some absolutes in Scripture saveobu seems to want to ignore such as the fact that homosexuality is wrong. Liberals say the word is not used in the Greek however Romans 1 Paul says that unbelievers have gone against what is natural women with women men with men. That clearly prohibits it right there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post-68644228781004931072012-04-20T17:45:15.208-05:002012-04-20T17:45:15.208-05:00As to the question why we preach--the issue at han...As to the question why we preach--the issue at hand is not why preach but the pastor's place in the church. Until 1988, when the SBC adopted Resolution 5, the pastor was the leader among the priests of the congregation. Those called by God led local churches, but they did not control the consciences of the individual members. This is the essential, foundational (as in every other major, historic Baptist doctrine flows from it) belief in the priesthood of all believers.<br /><br />However, Resolution 5 in 1988--a major result of the fundamentalist takeover--, changed all of that. Let me quote a little from the statement:<br /><br />"Be it further resolved, That the doctrine of the priesthood of the believer in no way contradicts the biblical understanding of the role, responsibility, and authority of the pastor which is seen in the command of the local church in Hebrews 13:17, 'Obey your leaders, and submit to them; for they keep watch over your souls, as those who will give an account;' and<br /><br />Be finally resolved, That we affirm the truth that elders, or pastors, are called of God to lead the local church (Acts 20:28)."<br /><br />Now in the SBC, the role of the pastor is not just a leader, but the arbiter of the beliefs and consciences of all members of the congregation, who must "submit" to the theological views of the pastor.<br /><br />If that is one's view of the role of the pastor, then yes, why bother to preach if Save OBU gets its way. But, if you hold to historic Baptist doctrines, then preaching plays the role it held for long--stimulating believers to Christian service and helping non-believers understand the call of the kingdom of God.Clayton Mauritzenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07508611398682201005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post-18892044127618640742012-04-20T17:34:12.314-05:002012-04-20T17:34:12.314-05:00The SBC is in decline (thus the desire for the nam...The SBC is in decline (thus the desire for the name change). Far too many new churches tied to the SBC don't even want to use "Baptist" in the name. In fact, the SBC has been under fire for many years for falsifying and misrepresenting statistics of baptisms in the U.S. and through the IMB overseas.Clayton Mauritzenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07508611398682201005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post-72520715659877164882012-04-20T15:26:42.047-05:002012-04-20T15:26:42.047-05:00The problem with yalls view is this why do we even...The problem with yalls view is this why do we even get up and preach? Why not just read a passage everyone sit in silence for a while and meditate and go on? Since the bible is dependent upon man and how many believes at the time of the reading all scriptural authority is gone in that mindset. One other thing is if you look at church history only one denomination has ever stopped the slide toward liberalism that is the SBC. All other denominations have continue down the slope until they are just shells of what they once were. The SBC has continue to flourish after the resurgence. If God is so against fundies why has the SBC propspered?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post-61790367339027157662012-04-20T14:14:20.472-05:002012-04-20T14:14:20.472-05:00Exactly. See, the problem was that "the liber...Exactly. See, the problem was that "the liberals" disagreed about the interpretation of scripture with those in power and so the fundamentalists made sure to redefine the parameters to protect "orthodoxy." I suppose that is indeed "safer" but, like I said, it is not Baptist.Veronica Risingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12730255963995224703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post-4612023046145948742012-04-20T14:04:18.902-05:002012-04-20T14:04:18.902-05:00@Anonymous and the problem with saying "never...@Anonymous and the problem with saying "never contradict the word of God" is that lots of people read the Bible in lots of different ways, and any close reading of the texts will result in various understandings, even among like minded folks. I think you are attempting to establish a standard that doesn't exist in reality. Sorry :(<br /><br />And btw, are "guys" the only folks who get to interpret the Bible? Yeah, there's another problem I won't even go into. <br /><br />If we are going to talk about "safe", I think the safest thing to do is to place the power with everyday believers, which seems much more baptist, than to entrust it to whoever is in power and their particular interpretation of texts.Teltrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524895972705575613.post-42774816486291917652012-04-20T13:02:32.481-05:002012-04-20T13:02:32.481-05:00The problem with the 63 BF&M was liberals woul...The problem with the 63 BF&M was liberals would say well my Jesus does this or that. I think it is safe to say Jesus will never contradict the word of God and the word of God will never contradict Jesus. Paul said "faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" Jesus said all Scripture reveals Him. I think the 2000 statement is correct and a lot safer than having guys be able to contradict the word and hide behind "their Jesus"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com